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Postby schakal » Sat 2 Sep 2006 18:30

anyone know if the rear beam/axle from a clio will
fit the renault 9 by any chance ??

the reason i am asking is that my torsion bars are seized solid
and dont want to come out ,so i am thinking of replacing the
whole rear beam with a clio one (with free torsion bars )
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Postby Tom » Sat 2 Sep 2006 18:56

Can you specify the type of the vehicle? In the clio range there are severel types mounted
Ex GT Turbo, Ex Clio Williams
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Postby Riël » Sat 2 Sep 2006 18:57

I believe there ís a chance it will fit.
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Postby schakal » Sat 2 Sep 2006 20:26

Tom wrote:Can you specify the type of the vehicle? In the clio range there are severel types mounted


my car is a 1988 renault 9 1.7 gtx with open type torsion bars
and drums at the rear .
was thinking of a clio beam with discs if it fits .

but how can i find out for sure ??
is there a way i can measure dimensions of the r9 axle and compare them with the clio one ??
if so ,what measurements do i need ?
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Postby Haas » Sun 3 Sep 2006 0:18

a 5gtt rear axle does fit a clio, so I think a clio axle does also fit an renault 9er.

9gtt has the same rear axle as a 5gtt I thougt?
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 8:24

Haas wrote:a 5gtt rear axle does fit a clio, so I think a clio axle does also fit an renault 9er.

9gtt has the same rear axle as a 5gtt I thougt?


thats what i have always been thinking .
may be i just got to measure the lentgh between the mounting points
of the axle on the r9 and compare it with a clio one .


cheers for the help guys
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Postby Menno » Sun 3 Sep 2006 9:05

No, doesn't fit !

Take one from an R19, that will fit on a 9 or 11.
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 9:32

Menno wrote:No, doesn't fit !

Take one from an R19, that will fit on a 9 or 11.


are you 100% sure on this mate???

also ,does it matter what year or what engine size the r19 is for fitment ???
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Postby Steven » Sun 3 Sep 2006 10:25

Menno is right, ask Cannonballman on this forum, he got an rear-axle from a 19-16v fitted under his 11.
You have to make pretty extreme adjusments though, the axle is much wider then the 9/11-axle. So you have to cut, weld and widen the fenders.

Maybe you can try to find an 9/11 turbo/gte axle, thats more plug and play.
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 11:20

Steven wrote:Menno is right, ask Cannonballman on this forum, he got an rear-axle from a 19-16v fitted under his 11.
You have to make pretty extreme adjusments though, the axle is much wider then the 9/11-axle. So you have to cut, weld and widen the fenders.

Maybe you can try to find an 9/11 turbo/gte axle, thats more plug and play.


well i am looking for more like a plug and play type of thing
dont want to go into welding and grinding stuff .
the problem with finding a r9/11/turbo etc axle is that the last one of them cars are made in 1988 in u.k (mine is a 1988 ) and the rear axles are more or less the same on these ,the older the worse :(
and these cars nowadays are very rare as well .
thats why i was initially looking to see if clio axle would fit .

cannonballman must have some info on this ,i will pm him to get his opinion . cheers
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Postby Riël » Sun 3 Sep 2006 13:05

There is always a way to get your own torsion bars out, just keep hitting it with a heavy hammer !!! :)
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 13:21

Riël wrote:There is always a way to get your own torsion bars out, just keep hitting it with a heavy hammer !!! :)


you sound promising ,which is good
i much prefer being able to get the bars out .
but tried pulling them out a few times and the ends of them
look like they are rust welded to the outer circle (where bar end lives )
and the threads in the bars are slowly shearing out now :(

where do i hit it with a hammer from ????
also can i use a hydrolic system of some sort to make things easier
do you think ??
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Postby Riël » Sun 3 Sep 2006 13:30

No, I managed with 2 people, holding a strong iron bar agains it, and the other one smashing it further INSIDE with a heavy hammer, driving the opposite bar out!


We kept smashing at it for approx 4 hours, heating it up now and then, and voila, it came out :lol:.
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Postby TheoV » Sun 3 Sep 2006 13:32

Riël wrote:No, I managed with 2 people, holding a strong iron bar agains it, and the other one smashing it further INSIDE with a heavy hammer, driving the opposite bar out!


We kept smashing at it for approx 4 hours, heating it up now and then, and voila, it came out :lol:.


4 hours... seems like a pretty rewarding job :D
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Postby Riël » Sun 3 Sep 2006 14:05

Yeah... indeed, it was :D
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 14:51

Riël wrote:No, I managed with 2 people, holding a strong iron bar agains it, and the other one smashing it further INSIDE with a heavy hammer, driving the opposite bar out!


We kept smashing at it for approx 4 hours, heating it up now and then, and voila, it came out :lol:.


hahaa ,what a determination .

i still dont get where you exactly hit with the bar though ???
the end of the bars may be ,like pushing them in rather than pulling them out ??
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Postby schakal » Sun 3 Sep 2006 16:53

is this the area to hit with a bar to push the bar out ?

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Postby Riël » Sun 3 Sep 2006 17:01

Yes! smash it there. You need to find an iron bar that will fit right trough. I have made a special tool that I could screw on to it 8)

When it had moved it can be pulled out with the 'normal' tool anytime, when nessecary.

You really have to hit it with a lot of weight and it will look pretty useless while you are doing it. Just, dont give up :beer: You will not destroy the axle or anything as long as you keep hitting the torsionbar.
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